kelsielee

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 8:04:18 PM
I was not aware of the system that allowed the dealer (and holder of a loan) to disable a car. This story demonstrates one of many problems that could occur with such a system.
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Sneakers55

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 9:03:14 PM
Amplion wrote:
>Maybe he could shut down runaway TOYOTA? LEXUS?
They'd have to put OnStar on them and that would ruin things.
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Sneakers55

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 8:53:18 PM
vandamme wrote:
>Bill Gates is a crook, so your analogy is apt. Actually, you need an >idiot to have an insecure password, and a crook to steal it. So, Gates >and Ballmer.
Just because Bill Gates made a lot of money doesn't mean he's a crook.
He was in the right place in the right time several times.
>(Can you tell I'm a Linux fan?)
Operating systems whose name ends in "X" (the letters before "X" vary) had pundits who said those OSes would take over the world next year. The only kicker is "next year" started somewhere around 1976.
There are many real-world applications that likely will never see the inside of a Linux box. On the other hand, I've noted that my U-verse residential gateway runs a flavor of FreeBSD. AT&T didn't stick with BSD for the set-top boxes; they run Windows CE.
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 5:02:36 PM
Think twice before you purchase a used vehicle from the "Buy Here, Pay Here" dealers. They will destroy your credit rating in a heart beat and lock you out of your car with one push of a button. What happens when they remotely disable your ignition while you are driving??? Sounds like some great lawsuits in the making.
Please forgive granitestater for his paranoia. He must have moved to our "Live Free ..." state from D.C. or NY. His favorite movie is Conspiracy Theory.
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fordmexico

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 11:37:16 AM
Texas Auto Center is a used vehicle dealership that advertises easy credit low down payments. Typically, some of these "tote the note" operators install shut down devices that can be activated to disable a vehicle if the buyer does not make payments on time.
Sorry granitestater, NO government conspiracy with secret "black boxes".
From InfoSecurity, March 18, 2010
"The Auto Center reportedly used a system from Pay Technologies called Webtech Plus. Designed to remotely disable cars whose owners are behind on their payments, the system can be made to remotely honk a car's horn, or to prevent it from being started up.
Ramos-Lopez is said to have had his account on the system closed when he left, but commentators close to the situation said that he gained access using another employee's password. He was then allegedly able to set up a database of 1100 customers who had purchased vehicles from the Center's four dealership lots, said the Wired story. He was able to disable the cars and set off their horns.
Customers were calling the dealership in a confused state, asking why their horns were honking, and were forced to disconnect their batteries, said reports.
Cars controlled by the Webtech Plus system are manipulated using a hardware device installed behind the dashboard, which is sent instructions via a wireless pager network. Cars cannot be stopped while they are in motion.
According to Texas Auto Center manager Martin Garcia, Ramos-Lopez was "pretty good with computers", although the alleged hacker couldn't have been that good; investigators tracked him down by finding an IP address for offending Webtech sessions in system logs. You'd have thought that someone going to those lengths to gain revenge on a former automative employer would have taken the road less traveled, and perhaps researched something like Tor before sparking up their browser."
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remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 6:51:55 AM
What's next... Audible spam messages being broadcast through the vehicle's audio system?
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vandamme

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New York
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 5:56:25 AM
"This kid could be the next Bill Gates. "
Bill Gates is a crook, so your analogy is apt. Actually, you need an idiot to have an insecure password, and a crook to steal it. So, Gates and Ballmer. (Can you tell I'm a Linux fan?)
I just wonder if the dealership told people about this little "option" on their cars.
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ronsimonil

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Texas
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 5:04:27 AM
It is kind of scary what can be done. This could just be the tip of the iceberg.
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fratt

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 3:05:01 AM
I agree with ArmydudeNC.
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MyRedSky

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Orlando
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:48:32 AM
Kudos to the hacker for exposing this company's ability to control their customer's vehicles after the sale.
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jackson661

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:45:17 AM
This kid could be the next Bill Gates.
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ArmydudeNC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:40:22 AM
Prime example of technology being used for bad.
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1fulltank

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:38:53 AM
A new twist to an old crime.
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Saturn93

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:38:26 AM
Too much technology. Just because we can do something with technology, is not a reason to actually do it. It's like Microsoft who have made their software subject of hackers by trying to build too many extra remote control features into their product.
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Amplion

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:34:25 AM
Maybe he could shut down runaway TOYOTA? LEXUS?
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hwnguy

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:29:40 AM
No need for cars anymore...
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BigDogOH

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:29:15 AM
Explans Toyoal probles. UAW hacker
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granitestater

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 1:30:16 AM
This exposes the secret government black box that will be in all cars in the future. Drive too many miles? Shutdown! Didn't pay your taxes? Shutdown! Government doesn't like you very much? Shutdown!
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